Ancient Wisdom, Modern World: Bret Speaks with Jonathan Pageau

Bret speaks with Jonathan Pageau a symbolic thinker, YouTuber, and carver of orthodox icons.https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCtCTSf3UwRU14nYWr_xm-dQhttps://thesymbolicworld.com/http://www.pageaucarvings.com/https://twitter.com/PageauJonathan*****Find Bret Weinstein on Twitter: @BretWeinstein, and on Patreon.https://www.patreon.com/bretweinsteinPlease subscribe to this channel for more long form content like this, and subscribe to the clips channel @DarkHorse Podcast Clips for short clips of all our podcasts:https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCAWCKUrmvK5F_ynBY_CMlIAAll removed videos can be found on Spotify Video and Odysee: https://open.spotify.com/show/57R7dOcs60jUfOnuNG0J1Rhttps://odysee.com/@BretWeinstein:fCheck out the DHP store! Epic tabby, digital book burning, saddle up the dire wolves, and more: http://www.store.darkhorsepodcast.orgTheme Music: Thank you to Martin Molin of Wintergatan for providing us the rights to use their excellent music.*****Sign up for the Spectator at: https://spectatorworld.com/specialoffer/Use code: DARKHORSE*****(00:00) Introduction(02:47) Bret on religions being “Literally false, metaphorically true” NOT “a mind virus”(05:35) Jon’s definition of religion(07:57) Bret – all scientists have faith, i.e. base assumptions, axioms(11:15) Jon’s definition of faith, as levels of understanding(13:58) Spectator Adhttps://spectatorworld.com/specialoffer/Use code: DARKHORSE(15:45) Bret’s article of faith in evolution(17:56) Jon’s refinement: religion is the “patterning” of being(20:07) Emergence is the jump between levels(21:45) Jon’s emergence(23:34) Adaptive evolution and group selection(26:45) Why does cooperation exist?(28:05) Survivability of individual or group or lineage(32:05) Google Vs Catholicism(33:26) Point of attention(35:55) Evolution predicts the behavior of religions(38:46) Richard Dawkins’ memes(42:35) Self sacrifice(45:56) Confessions in a congregation(49:30) Jon on importance of self sacrifice(53:44) Rapist gene(59:24) Geneva Convention(01:00:39) Flip the table on the genes(01:01:49) Purpose of organisms(01:03:13) Consciousness and purpose(01:05:16) Purpose(01:09:15) One homogenous religion(01:13:55) Centralized digital identity and mark of the beast(01:19:59) Genes are self replicating patterns(01:23:19) Bret’s “obsession” with genes(01:25:09) Starting from experience, not genes(01:31:06) Consciousness is recognizing patterns(01:33:35) Consciousness is good(01:39:36) Technological systems are driving us into madness(01:42:59) We need to upgrade our consciousness(01:45:44) Wokeism and COVID measures(01:48:49) Damned if we do…(01:53:59) Religion has predicted this(01:56:39) Gain of function research and fission power(02:01:06) Aiming for a higher good(02:02:33) The atheist’s advantage and heaven(02:07:13) Descendants 10,000 years from now(02:11:14) Building of an arc, remnants, and end of civilization(02:18:56) Update religious texts?(02:20:39) Tools and religion(02:24:39) Is lineage the wrong level of abstraction?(02:29:43) Follow-through tennis analogy(02:35:57) Cynicism around religion(02:40:23) Consciousness comes down on existence and forms identities(02:44:17) Tetrapods and speciation(02:48:40) Identity and purpose(02:50:33) Wrap upSupport the show

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On The DarkHorse Podcast, we will explore questions that matter, with tools that work. Weekly episodes of "The Evolutionary Lens" are co-hosted with Bret Weinstein and Heather Heying, in which we use an evolutionary toolkit to reveal patterns in nature--including human nature. Guest episodes feature Bret hosting long form discussions. Some guests are well known, others obscure, but all are chosen because they have demonstrated unusual insight. The state and future of civilization will be a recurring theme, so buckle up!