#139 - Insider Threat Operations (with Jim Lawler)

On this episode we bring on CIA Veteran James "Jim" Lawler to discuss how spies are recruited, how individuals are turned, and what makes them vulnerable to being turned. Learn what managers and executives can and should know about their people to help them better understand who's at risk and the types of programs that executives can put into place to stop insider threats. Special Thanks to our Two Sponsors: 1) Prelude: https://www.preludesecurity.com/ 2) Risk3Sixty is cyber security technology and consulting firm that works with high-growth technology firms to help leaders build, manage and certify security, privacy, and compliance programs. They publish weekly thought leadership, webinars, and downloadable resources like budget and assessment templates. Learn more at: https://risk3sixty.com/?utm_source=cisotradecraft&utm_medium=podcast&utm_campaign=2023-ct&utm_term=1week&utm_content=sponser Be sure to read Jim's books 1) Living Lies: A Novel of the Iranian Nuclear Weapons Program https://amzn.to/3Y5x2Sc 2) In the Twinkling of an Eye: A Novel of Biological Terror and Espionage https://amzn.to/43EkvpE  Chapters 00:00 Introduction 02:24 The Importance of Recruiting Insiders 08:06 How to Be a Successful Case Officer 11:09 The Importance of Identifying Vulnerabilities in Insider Threats 14:00 The Cockamamie Recruitment Pitch Scheme 18:50 The Importance of Rationality in Espionage 21:10 The Complex Motivations for Espionage 23:49 The Key to Stress in a Target Life 27:34 The Importance of Listening to Your People 30:02 How to Be a Good Leader 35:02 The Metaphysics of Recruitment 37:31 How to Firewall a Threat to Your Organization 41:00 Living Lies 44:49 How to Be a Better Writer 49:31 How to Be a Better Threat Manager