Conversation with psychiatrist Birgit Bundesen. With Jakob Jakobsen. March 2018.

On the Hospital Prison University Radio you listen to unskilled voices. Far from the smooth confident dynamics of talk-radio, here people try and use the radio to touch things and one another. As you can hear I am constantly struggling to find the words Currently on the radio you can hear a conversation between psychiatrist Birgit Bundesen and I, Jakob Jakobsen. I invited her to help me understand the Hospital Prison University Archive, and we partake in a sort of institutional analysis, trying to make sense of what kind of violence and repression are hiding under the floorboards of this institution. Birgit works in a hospital within the Danish National Health Service. I was initially in touch with her when she approached me to tell me that one of her patients suffering from psychosis was listening intensely to the Hospital Prison University Radio. We talk about safe space and care as an escape from the structured situation of the therapy session, among other things. Being at the Hospital Prison University Archive is not therapy, it is a process of de-institutionalisation. We are unlearning being our selves.