If 'The Wire' and 'The Sopranos' Are the Pinnacle of Television, Why Keep Making It?

On this week's episode, Ben, Libby, and Leo tackle the topic that sent the television Twitter aflame last week, essentially that there haven't been any good television shows since "The Wire" and "The Sopranos," a point of view that ignores the brilliant art created over the course of the past two decades. It also allows Leo to trot out his pet theory that all art exists on an ever-improving continuum thanks to a more inclusive industry, exponentially better technology, and a natural urge to improve what has come before it. Plus, Leo and Ben go way long on Mike Flanagan's latest limited series for Netflix, "Midnight Mass." Additionally, Ben is forced to explain just what Tudum is. Learn more about your ad choices. Visit megaphone.fm/adchoices