E101: Can Classical Liberalism Survive Wokeness? with Tim Urban

In this episode of Moment of Zen, Erik Torenberg sits down with Tim Urban, writer of the popular blog Wait But Why, and author of the 2023 book What’s Our Problem? where he offers a framework for thinking about our chaotic political landscape. Tim unpacks the clash between freedom and equality in modern society. He explores how social justice movements and political extremes threaten open dialogue. Urban argues for a return to classical liberal values, challenging listeners to consider: Are we fostering true diversity of thought, or silencing dissent in the name of progress? 🔥 Apply to join over 400 Founders and Execs in the Turpentine Network: https://hmplogxqz0y.typeform.com/to/JCkphVqj -- 🎙️ Dealcraft | Insights from Great Negotiators is the brand new weekly podcast that features interviews with world’s greatest dealmakers and diplomats, including Former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, Blackstone CEO Steve Schwarzman, and music industry super-lawyer John Branca, on their most challenging negotiations. Each episode, host Jim Sebenius (Harvard Business School professor and renowned negotiation expert) relates fascinating deal stories and distills useful insights for listeners to apply in their toughest deals and disputes. Subscribe on all platofrms: https://link.chtbl.com/3CG3TbHY?sid=Turpentine -- SPONSORS: GiveWell spends 50,000 hours every year doing deep-dives into different charitable programs to try to find the ways to do the most good for your dollar. GiveWell has now spent over 17 years researching charitable organizations and only directs funding to a few of the HIGHEST-IMPACT opportunities they’ve found. Visit https://www.givewell.org to find out more or make a donation. Select PODCAST and enter Econ 102 at checkout to make sure they know you heard about them from us. 💥 Head to Squad to access global engineering without the headache and at a fraction of the cost: head to https://choosesquad.com/ and mention “Turpentine” to skip the waitlist. -- RECOMMENDED PODCAST: 🎙️ This Won't Last - Eavesdrop on Keith Rabois, Kevin Ryan, Logan Bartlett, and Zach Weinberg's monthly backchannel. They unpack their hottest takes on the future of tech, business, venture, investing, and politics. Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/id1765665937 Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2HwSNeVLL1MXy0RjFPyOSz YouTube: https://www.youtube.com/@ThisWontLastpodcast -- Follow on X: @eriktorenberg (Erik) @waitbutwhy (Tim) @turpentinemedia TIMESTAMPS: (00:00) Intro (01:04) Tim Urban Describes the Genesis of his Book (02:11) Why Does Tim Believe Classical Liberalism is the "Least Bad" System? (06:56) The Existential Threat of Today's Technology (07:36) The Anomalous Nature of Our Era (11:44) "What's Our Problem?": A Self-Help Book for Societies (14:15) Trump's "Full-Fledged Demagogue" Presidency (21:22) Summary of the Right & Left's Illiberal Actions (24:13) Mistake Theory vs. Conflict Theory (29:23) Sponsors: Givewell | Dealcraft (37:49) The Debate on Gender Disparities in Tech (41:04) The Size and Power of the Social Justice Fundamentalist Movement (44:20) Sponsor: Squad (45:34) The Tyranny of the 3% (46:55) Two Constitutions: Individual Rights vs. Group Rights (52:34) Unsolved Questions for Tim Urban (56:17) Wrap