E41: [Bonus Episode - Latent.space] Building the AI x UX Scenius with Linus Lee of Notion AI

[Bonus Episode] Latent.space hosts, Alessio and Swyx, sit down with Linus Lee of Notion AI to discuss Linus’ experience starting the AI/UX community, prompt engineering at Notion, and designing AI interfaces and agents.  The latent.space podcast aims to be the first place where AI engineers hear about the latest AI news and technology trends. We’ve had several guests in common – including Shreya Rajpal of Guardrails, Jonathan & Abhi from the recently acquired for $1.3B MosaicML, and also Riley Goodside from Scale AI – and also explored similar themes, including the question of which AI companies have durable business moats, and the flurry of experimentation going into AI agents right now. We recommend checking them out!  Keep up to date with Latent.space here:  Website: https://www.latent.space/ Spotify: https://open.spotify.com/show/2p7zZVwVF6Yk0Zsb4QmT7t?si=95fb033e3c014975 Apple Podcasts: https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/latent-space-the-ai-engineer-podcast-codegen-agents/id1674008350 Youtube: https://www.youtube.com/@LatentSpace-podcast We're hiring across the board at Turpentine and for Erik's personal team on other projects he's incubating. He's hiring a Chief of Staff, EA, Head of Special Projects, Investment Associate, and more. For a list of JDs, check out: eriktorenberg.com. RECOMMENDED PODCAST: The HR industry is at a crossroads. What will it take to construct the next generation of incredible businesses – and where can people leaders have the most business impact? Hosts Nolan Church and Kelli Dragovich have been through it all, the highs and the lows – IPOs, layoffs, executive turnover, board meetings, culture changes, and more. With a lineup of industry vets and experts, Nolan and Kelli break down the nitty-gritty details, trade offs, and dynamics of constructing high performing companies. Through unfiltered conversations that can only happen between seasoned practitioners, Kelli and Nolan dive deep into the kind of leadership-level strategy that often happens behind closed doors. Check out the first episode with the architect of Netflix’s culture deck Patty McCord. https://link.chtbl.com/hrheretics TIMESTAMPS (05:52) Starting the AI / UX community (12:23) Most knowledge work is not text generation (18:43) Finding the right constraints and interface for AI (21:27) Linus' journey to working at Notion (25:51) The importance of notations and interfaces (28:29) Setting interface defaults and standards (34:58) The challenges of designing AI agents (42:00) Notion deep dive: “Blocks”, AI, and more (53:22) Prompt engineering at Notion (01:04:22) Lightning Round SPONSOR: Shopify is the global commerce platform that helps you sell at every stage of your business. Shopify powers 10% of ALL eCommerce in the US. And Shopify's the global force behind Allbirds, Rothy's, and Brooklinen, and 1,000,000s of other entrepreneurs across 175 countries.From their all-in-one e-commerce platform, to their in-person POS system – wherever and whatever you're selling, Shopify's got you covered. With free Shopify Magic, sell more with less effort by whipping up captivating content that converts – from blog posts to product descriptions using AI. Sign up for $1/month trial period: https://shopify.com/cognitive This show is produced by Turpentine: a network of podcasts, newsletters, and more, covering technology, business, and culture — all from the perspective of industry insiders and experts. We’re launching new shows every week, and we’re looking for industry-leading sponsors — if you think that might be you and your company, email us at [email protected].