105: PREVIEW: Venezuela and the State Department Playbook Guest: Mary Kissel John Batchelor discusses Venezuela with Mary Kissel, former senior adviser to the Secretary of State, regarding the Trump a

PREVIEW: Venezuela and the State Department Playbook Guest: Mary Kissel John Batchelor discusses Venezuela with Mary Kissel, former senior adviser to the Secretary of State, regarding the Trump administration's offer to speak with Maduro while a fleet was offshore, with Kissel describing this strategy as the "playbook at State," recalling her North Korea experience in the first Trump term, interpreting the move as showing force ("show the guns") before engaging diplomatically.