509 | H.W. Brands: America First - Roosevelt vs. Lindbergh and the Long Shadow of WWII

H.W. Brands, Jack S. Blanton Chair in History at the University of Texas at Austin and author of America First: Roosevelt vs. Lindbergh in the Shadow of War, joins The Realignment. Marshall and H.W. discuss the ways that FDR and Charles Lindbergh's debate over American intervention in WWII parallel today's debates over Ukraine and Taiwan, the origins of the phrase "America First," why non-interventionism shouldn't be dismissed out of hand, why FDR won the "great debate" with the America First Committee, even before Pearl Harbor, and how Lindbergh's story offers lessons for humility when approaching politics and war from the outsider's perspective.